Why where the Androids stronger than Mecha Frieza? Frieza is spiteful and hate fueled, but he's not stupid. The scans I just posted was Frieza's final attack before being killed. What do you think if he didn't loose energy. Also whenever Frieza powers up it is shown. He was at 50% fighting Goku then for one attack he hit Goku with 70% of his power. Future Gohan SSJ vs Mecha Frieza. Please read post 24.You may change your opinion after that. Mecha-Frieza Was Stronger than He Was on Namek "Papa, if the two of us fight him together, we're sure to beat him." Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. I think he was stronger than depicted, it's just that Trunks landed a mortal blow by surprise and Frieza had 0 chance to do better. it is differant in the anime and the manga but frieza blast that could kill vegita did little to trunks . Yeah, I can't really see why Frieza would hold back after finding out that Trunks was an SSJ. Frieza, of course, would grow even stronger in Dragon Ball Super , even gaining a new Golden Form that puts him on the same level of power as Goku in Super Saiyan God Form. Join Community. He thought he killed Trunks with it and then was surprise attacked. Only noted power ups in that arc were from SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goku as far as I recall. Even if he lasts that long, he'd be severely damaged. Also whenever Frieza powers up it is shown. @jtmac005: 100% Frieza isn't slow, but ya he loses energy fast. Never change. Good for Piccolo and Vegeta. There isn't any scouter in the world which can measure that power, and it is given that the biggest scouter reading is 2nd form freeza, & even that isn't a 100% sure reading. 543 Anime Fans. You could actually make an argument that golden Frieza is stronger than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta. So someone's personality can't change over time? mecha frieza rip off of is actually stronger that his 100% form and more on par with the androids trunks fought in the future Mecha Frieza's power level is 14,000,000. freiza power level is stronger frieza vs trunks . Base trunks powerup was noted, piccolo power down was noted, freeza's henchmen power down (due to death) was noted. Geralt of Rivia, Dec 16, 2011. but it is heavily implied that whatever power he was vs trunks, it was his max power. Would be better if you just posted the quote. … I just don't think Frieza fully powered up. Top. The US Bureau of Statistics makes extrapolations from known data, but in undeveloped countries, the population numbers are probably ... ... on which form they are in and if you are including the spin off like the movie where cooler creates an army of meta coolers, each of which has the abilities of the original cooler. :), @apex_pretador: https://kissanime.to/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Z-Movie-15-Fukkatsu-no-F-Dub/Movie-720p?id=117959. How strong is Metal Cooler actually? @thedarkpaladin: I wish they made it more clear. frieza died in the begining of the android saga when him and king cold (his dad) go to earth to finish off goku, but the "mysterioust youth" (future trunks) shows up and kills both of them.... How many people are there in the whole world? As for the power sensing arguement, the Z-warriors don't say that there was a greater power than Frieza, they say there is a power as STRONG as Frieza, making them fairly equal in power. King Cold has been stated to be stronger than both Frieza and Cooler, ... After the short speech Mecha Frieza dashes towards the enemy with his head in the stomach, while King Cold flies up high. Messages: 9,370 Likes Received: 0 Trophy Points: 0 Joined: Aug 11, 2007 Reputation: Wasteland 100m This thread is a trap and I'm using it to prove a point later on. Frieza is spiteful and hate fueled, but he's not stupid. Prove what wrong, your argument from ignorance? Base Trunks' power down wasn't noted? While each new villain in the series is far stronger than the next, Frieza is the only one given the opportunity to improve, and given the opportunity, he becomes one of the strongest fighters in the universe. While each new villain in the series is far stronger than the next, Frieza is the only one given the opportunity to improve, and given the opportunity, he becomes one of the strongest fighters in the universe. Mecha Frieza vs Metal Cooler in Dragon Ball Z is today’s VS battle, featuring the GOLDEN SCOUTER! Also it usually takes time for Frieza to fully power up. Ehh, I still say Mecha Frieza takes this. Then he used his supernova which Trunks was able to easily push back, but had to dodge it when it exploded. Weaker: Android 17. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Saying that he didn't power up because it wasn't noted is using erroneous reasoning. Frieza kicks the horrified opponent again, who tries to get up. Mecha Frieza is like the new and improved version of original Frieza, so I give it to him plus Frieza at 100% has shown not so good durability and has stamina issues. Mecha Frieza. @apex_pretador: Very nice. — Frieza talking to Zarbon about exterminating the Saiyan race after King Vegeta's rebellion. Irrelevant power scailing is irrelevant. Considering that Goku's powers have risen exponentially since then and when the Androids arrive on earth, the fighting sequences which depict them just do not have the velocity it had in Frieza Saga. I am literally just going to copy-paste my answer from another question (asking to rank 17, Gohan, Frieza, Vegeta, and Goku) here. Due to the damage he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. Mecha Frieza Edit. @apex_pretador: Yup, I think so. Kind of like how when fighting Raditz Goku's power level jumped up when he used his kamehameha. Also, i'm pretty sure your battle power raises automatically when you fire off a Kamehameha, but like you said it's only for a brief instance. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. But everything in that fight is noted, every minor change in ki. He turned out to be … Also, your comparison of raditz vs Goku's KHH, remember that Kami told goku to not waste his energy by using it in useless movements, so he keeps himself suppressed most of the time, and that's why his power lowered down again after doing KHH. In Dragon Ball Heroes there is a version of Golden Frieza called "Rage Golden Frieza" which is an empowered version of Golden Frieza fuelled by Rage which also appears in Super as well. Ize's described as being roughly 100 times stronger than Frieza's Perfect Form. I usually don't make it a habit of wasting my time arguing with people who don't even seem to realize when they're using informal fallacies. ;). 0. mecha frieza is confirmed in both the manga and dbz kai to be stronger than his 100% form. Gohan says Namek freeza 100% >>> Mecha freeza. Comment. @overlordarthas: The super nova is the one that looks like a mini star. LITERALLY EVERYTHING is noted in that mini-arc. Man, this is a non-subbed full movie, and it's not easy to go through a video. I think the most likely scenario is his blast was powered up but he didn't raise his actual power level. (You'd think they'd even take into account the fact that he had likely trained, but I'm willing to let the revelation that they didn't slide.) Well, the problem is that it’s difficult to really ascertain how strong Golden Frieza is, however, he is very powerful. Everyone <<< King cold =< Mecha << his max power on namek. TheMikado I Live Here Posts: 4884 Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:28 pm. He wouldn't confront Goku, knowing how strong his Super Saiyan form is, without powering up. Frieza is a lizard-like alien whom some refer to as a changeling, Ice-jin, a Frost Demon, or an Arcosian. Mecha Frieza is how he was when he attacked Trunks (if he wasn't at full power he can't power up). All he did was shoot one ki balst. According to Akira Toriyama, Frieza's design is an amalgamation of what he thought monsters looked like in his childhood. mecha frieza was a bit stronger then regular freiza but when he fought trunks I doubt that he was at full power since he would of put up a better fight against him umm well they need to fix his voice cuz it sounds like a girl in the english dub freiza's voice is done by a woman . but he never wanted to try. Still, there is no way to know for sure if that is the case or not. Mecha-Frieza Was Stronger than He Was on Namek "Papa, if the two of us fight him together, we're sure to beat him." Frieza did mention he had been improved and was stronger as Mecha Frieza. @overlordarthas: @sineyaprime: @redhood_jaytodd: Future trunks = Namek goku ONE SHOTTED mecha freeza. It's left entirely up to speculation. It just wouldn't be logical. From the time he showed up during the Frieza Saga, he has been the most feared and hated villain in the entire franchise. If you don't like being called out on it, dont use fallacious logic. Android 17 was the biggest surprise of Dragon Ball Super. Even if he wasn't using 100% (no real way to know) then subject would be left entirely up to speculation. We all know how good the fight between freeza 100% and goku was. mecha frieza rip off of is actually stronger that his 100% form and more on par with the androids trunks fought in the future Mecha Frieza's power level is 14,000,000. freiza power level is stronger frieza vs trunks . Who wins against Cooler vs Frieza… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETV UW 5AwThe best vennominaga deck ever =)... http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weakened... ...ound 6.5 billion. Share Share Tweet Email. What does that have to do with anything? Supernova was only seen in the anime, movies and Bardock special. He already knew what an SSJ was capable of and he was clearly frightened after witnessing Trunks transform: Also, Gohan's statement was made before Trunks even showed up. The Cyborg version of Frieza, or his older brother? I really don't see any other point in adding that line. @redhood_jaytodd: When did organic Frieza not show good durability? Mecha Frieza Edit. Today, two villains from the Dragon Ball Z series, who were supposedly killed, return as mechanized versions of their original selves, are going to battle each other to the Death to see who is the Supreior being. 100% is slow and he loses energy fast. I seriously doubt Frieza would hold back at that point. It's up for interpretation. just sit on his laurels and enjoy what he’d inherited. Frieza's personality seems to be a counter to Goku's lighthearted, charming, kind, and peaceful one, but it is unknown if this was done intentionally. I'm almost 100% sure that 23rd TB piccolo is a completely different personality than saiyan arc piccolo - no emotions , no weakness to sacrificing his life for a kid of his enemy & android arc vegeta is WAY cockier than saiyan arc vegeta and namek arc vegeta. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Geralt of Rivia. Gohan mentions Frieza is suppressed and there is never any mention of him powering up, however having him killed off not at full power doesn't make sense story telling wise. Does that mean we know base Trunks didn't power down? Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). Do you know the Answer Please Sign-in Or register in order Answer this question? Who's stronger, Super Perfect Cell or Grey Buu? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I didn't think Mecha was much stronger than 100%, just that they'd fight long enough till 100% loses enough power, so I still back him in this fight. I literally claimed there wasn't enough evidence to be 100% which is very reasonable logic, unlike your own. Mecha Frieza could probably go 100% buff mode. SSJ Kid Trunks vs. Mecha Frieza Discussion in 'Manga/Anime Battledome' started by Geralt of Rivia, Dec 16, 2011. I kinda remember a scan of him saying he didnt need Cold's help since he increased his power he could kll Goku himself and wanting to show off his new power. @apex_pretador: Another piece of evidence organic Frieza is stronger is that Sorbet acted like it was a good thing Frieza was brought back without mechanical parts. I think the most likely scenario is his blast was powered up but he didn't raise his actual power level. Yeah, but it's unknown whether or not Mecha Frieza can use his buff form at that point. Mecha Freeza, he was implied to be slightly stronger than his former self and he will not start losing power. "I may be able to take care of him by … Maybe during his final attack. Also, was that thing in super too? He wouldn't confront Goku, knowing how strong his Super Saiyan form is, without powering up. He shot another one that pushed Trunks back. 0. Not to mention they're bigger, stronger, faster, and have longer claws than the Yao Guai.... Mg2+(aq) + 2e- = Mg(s) E° = - 2.37V Cl2(g) + 2e- = 2Cl-(aq) E° = + 1.36V... yes. Due to the damage that he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. Dragon Ball: 5 Moves Stronger Than Frieza's Death Ball (& 5 That Are Weaker) Out of every Dragon Ball villain we've come to known over the years, Frieza is definitely one we wouldn't want to run into alone. To be fare power ups are usually noted in dragon ball, however it is possible he powered up. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a … It might be a hint that Frieza wasn't using all of his power. @apex_pretador: Yup, I think so. It might be a hint that Frieza wasn't using all of his power. He has to use the same power he did against Trunks. Freeza's ki and KC's ki is noted when they are about to appear on earth, It is noted that this ki is FAR, FAR superoir to vegeta / piccolo but nothing to 100% freeza level, Vegeta becoming more and more close to bulma - CHECK. Surely either Frieza or Cold was stronger than 150 mil unsuppressed to bother coming back to Earth to re-face Goku. Mecha Frieza is like the new and improved version of original Frieza, so I give it to him plus Frieza at 100% has shown not so good durability and has stamina issues. ...r is actually is stronger than Frieza. Neither, as they are not over nine thousand.... ...s stronger than Cell.Proof? And guess what isn't noted - freeza powering up. Mechanical Frieza wins. Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). I kinda remember a scan of him saying he didnt need Cold's help since he increased his power he could do it himself. In this form he appears as a cyborg version of his true form. Also there's that line with Gohan saying that Frieza could get much stronger. In some video games, Mecha Frieza can power up to 100%, when he does so his aura begins crackling with red electricity and his body begins glowing with power. That's silly logic. @overlordarthas: Frieza never abandoned his plan in the manga. He must have powered up at least a good deal when firing that blast at Trunks as he would have no reason to "go easy" after witnessing his transformation. ? If thats not enough for you, Super Buu(Gohan Absorbed), being the strongest buu, could only be defeated by a fusion... ... is a good fight, Broly is powerful. Every single powerup / powerdown was noted from that mini-arc, Almost every single minor detail was noted , especially in battle, everything was noted, BUT the only thing, which was not noted, is a speculation - where you assume without any evidence that freeza was suppressed and powered up to attack trunks, while no one notes, and everyone seems to ignore. In the anime Frieza seemed to use more of his power. Completely illogical? Topic: Future Gohan SSJ vs Mecha Frieza. Go. I'm pretty sure Trunks would've chopped up organic Frieza the same way. Also, OP limited him to that power anyways. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. We know what power freeza had at the time of attack, the same he had when landing (unless there is ANY SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE against it). Thread starter Trollasaur; Start date Aug 8, 2013; 1; 2; Next. He normally has four forms, though he has an additional Mecha form, a Golden Form, and also a few additional video game exclusive forms. Mecha Frieza is stated to be stronger than he was on Namek, but it’s never stated how much stronger. Mecha Frieza was chopped up by a sword, lol. Still, there is too much left up to speculation here. That's the exact same reason he didn't destroy Namek instantly.... @thedarkpaladin: I agree, there really isn't enough info. Determine the cell reaction, the standard cell potential (E0 cell) and the half-cell that acts as the cathode for the voltaic cells composed of the following half-cells. Sure, it can. [citation needed] According to the Daizenshuu, Frieza was also inspired by Toriyama's second editor, Yū Kondō. ...That makes absolutely no sense. Death Ball is the attack he used to destroy Namek. Too bad Frieza showed no signs of major personality change whatsoever, so you claiming that he was dumber is based on nothing. I like to think that Piccolo at the time was stronger than Mecha Freeza by a decent margin, but not such a large gap that people who are already stronger than Freeza without absorbing tons of energy still get stomped by Piccolo. We all know what the Viz Manga says and it's generally regarded as the He is willing to abandon the original plan to wait for Goku and he knows what an SSJ is capable of so there is no reason for him to hold back. Desperate for a genuine challenge, Ize killed his way across the galaxy before learning about the existence of Earth. The reason he didn't blow up earth is because he wanted to fight Goku himself. Also there's that line with Gohan saying that Frieza could get much stronger. Mecha Frieza, mostly since 100% was slowly losing power. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. In that case coole... ...r is actually is stronger than Frieza. How can Namek saga Frieza be smarter than Mecha Frieza. Cooler is stronger than Frieza, thus he is stronger than King Cold. The funny thing is, your own scans on post #24 say otherwise... Frieza stated his cyborg body is stronger than his organic body, I see no reason why we couldn't trust him. From the time he showed up during the Frieza Saga, he has been the most feared and hated villain in the entire franchise. "I may be able to take care of him by … While Ize comes across as a very basic version of Frieza and lacks much of the malicious personality that made Frieza memorable, Ize was even stronger than his father. Frieza was probably scared of him, if he knew of his e... Grey Buu is stronger. @alextheboss: My bad. @apex_pretador: Very nice. Also cause, you know, cyborg. Okay so Super Saiyan Goku's power level on Namek was 150,000,0000, while Frieza's was 120,000,000, Goku beats Frieza and he is brought back as Mecha Frieza, who was said to be even stronger than his final form on Namek although we aren't given an exact amount. Of course not. He is the Only DBZ villian to have 3 movies baised around him, he was born a Super Sayian, and he's insane. The point is, we can't be sure how much power he was using when he fired that blast. He tanked an explosions that could be seen from space. I'd give unsuppressed Mecha Frieza a … t0sh. Also, remember that mecha freeza is nowhere near as smart as namek freeza (He denied blowing up the planet when king cold said so), Lol, what a surprise this is... After using nothing but straw man arguments in our last conversation, you're now using an argument from ignorance fallacy. It's safe to say that he was stronger than he was on Namek. Cyborg frieza wins. Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). The death ball is either black or read, usually with electricity around it. Cooler has one more transformation than Frieza.Yes due to Cooler passing to the next tranformation after which Frieza got. @nishi99: Mecha Frieza is limited from powering up if he has that ability. It's known that Dabura was as strong as Cell, and Dabura was done in by Fat Buu, who was weaker then Grey Buu. There is no reason for Frieza to hold back any power after pissing himself at the sight of Trunks' transformation. While his body was damaged in the aftermath of Planet Namek's destruction, Frieza is brought back from the brink of death as a cyborg. In the battle with Frieza as well, they move so fast that it's barely noticeable to Krillin who's a human being. He increased his power for a second for one attack. To be fare power ups are usually noted in dragon ball, however it is possible he powered up. Mecha Frieza constantly mentions that he's new, improved, and stronger than before. It's safe to say that he was stronger than he was on Namek. So... the same argument from ignorance you were already called out on then? No sense? In this form, he appears as a cyborg version of his true form. Unless Gero figured out a way to get Frieza to transform by eating cyborgs and trying to get to Perfect Frieza, I don’t see a Mecha Frieza being all that much stronger than 16. That is completely illogical. His attack might of been full power, but not his body, if you know what I mean. Also, the blast wasn't any notable thing as it is "just" marking the start of the fight. Can you also differentiate Death Ball from Super Nova? This topic is about the strength of King Cold, Mecha-Frieza, Trunks, and Goku. but will he be able to fight him that long? But which one? 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