They can’t receive the Eucharist, with good reason (1 Corinthians 11: 28-30). I am not saying that the Church presumes that Protestant communities have Sacraments. We are Christian just the same. Silly really because we all are Christian but that is what the Catholics want and we respect that more than Catholics realise. Washington D.C., Mar 27, 2020 / 08:51 pm (CNA).- After rescinding a controversial policy concerning sacramental anointing of the sick, the bishop of … It has been said that the Anointing of the Sick will likely be the last Sacrament that we will receive. The labels we apply to one another are terrible divisions. Catholics have always interpreted that as meaning that non-Catholics who typically don’t believe in transsubstantiation shouldn’t take communion for their own sakes! “If we don’t get that far where he desires that and expresses that, can he still receive Anointing of the Sick?” asked Danny. Christian Christian Christian. You keep telling folks who are asking for help re confession that all you do is arrange to see your priest and you have different views on Confession. We receive all the 8 Sacraments that you guys receive. The Code of Canon Lawlikewise asserts, "Every priest, and only a priest, validly administers the Anointing of … We are talking about anointing of the Sick Sacrament and somehow its gone on again, You know how to win me over don’t you - not The Idiot…. Was the time Jesus got angry in the temple the only time he was angry? What is The ‘Thousand Year Reign of Christ’? If a new illness develops or the first illness relapses or worsens, the patient may receive the sacrament a further time. Otherwise, any member of the faithful may be anointed in the appropriate circumstances. Most Protestant groups I know which don’t practice anointing of the sick deny it these days because it strikes them as “charismatic”, which they consider heretical (I got myself in trouble in college when a roommate was sick for following the instructions in James 5, until I asked what the heck was wrong with doing what an Apostle wrote! No, according to the Code of Canon Law. Sorry guys but that the way it is. A careful judgment about the serious nature of the illness is sufficient. Its just the Catholics who like to cover it up. “All he needs to ask since he’s terminally ill—the Church kind of works quickly with people who are in a terminal situation—if he seeks and desires Baptism, we can baptize him. If we could properly work together in unity and allow the differences to be had in us to bring us closer together then all be okay. Presuming this person is a life long Protestant they never would’ve been confirmed in the Catholic Church and as such the sacraments are not open to them, just like they can’t receive Holy Communion or Reconciliation. I am essentially asking whether or not, per that Canon, the Church requires any given Protestant community to have a Sacrament on their own (let’s say… Confirmation) before the Catholic minister is allowed to dispense it to the Protestant. 1516). Anointing of the sick was a customary practice in many civilizations, including among the ancient Greeks and early Jewish communities. In broadening the use of the Anointing of the Sick, the Church has stressed a secondary effect of the sacrament: to help a person recover his health. The rite is meant to unite the recipient with the suffering of Christ by calling upon the Holy Spirit to imbue the sick and frail with the strength, peace, and courage to endure the sufferings of … We just simply want to keep the peace and stay away from Catholics because of their attitude towards Protestants. I don’t believe a Protestant can receive the Anointing of the Sick. I am a happy anglican who knows God;). Usually a Catholic in such a situation would receive the Anointing of the Sick, but what can you do for someone who is not Catholic? Church teaching is quite clear that members of Protestant churches cannot receive things like communion, sacrament of penance. As for “not wanting” others in our services, nothing could be further from the truth, at least for me. Your understanding on many things is at variance from catholic thinking. No. Thus the Protestant teaching on marriage was normally as “high” as Catholic doctrine and may be considered quasi-sacramental. This seems to be a case of taking a quote out of context. However, the sacrament is not only for the dying. 1530 Only priests (presbyters and bishops) can give the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick, using oil blessed by the bishop, or if necessary by the celebrating presbyter himself. The Anointing of the Sick is grounded in the words of St. James to anoint the sick with oil to bring about healing and forgiveness (James 5:14-15). Copyright 2020 Relevant Radio - All Rights Reserved. It is fitting to receive the Anointing of the Sick just prior to a serious operation. “…Who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord…”. Q. No. Just don’t have the Pope as the Head of the Church. Father Rocky’s 40 Lenten Lessons on the Mass. The term shows up in the apostles and nicean creeds of later centuries… these were written against early heretical movements like Gnosticism and Arianism. Although Protestants did not abolish all these rites, their churches did deny that all were sacraments. am not going to play your ball game The idiot because you just don’t like that am not Catholic and that is your prejudice, Now your posts are getting personal towards me aren’t they and isn’t that breaking the rules of this board. The Anointing of the Sick is grounded in the words of St. James to anoint the sick with oil to bring about healing and forgiveness (James 5:14-15). We are saved by Christ’s sacrifice alone. I have asked a moderator to delete it again because I think it will just lead to more argument and if you had seen it had been deleted did it occur to you it may have been tactless to bring it up again. She is a wife, mother, and graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where she studied journalism and advertising. PO BOX 10707 We have all the same anyway so why would we go to a Catholic Church to rub their noses in it to gain any sacraments? The anointing of the sick is administered to bring spiritual and even physical strength during an illness, especially near the time of death. Finally, the … Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone. The circumstances are: - They must be baptised. When the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick is given, the hoped-for effect is that, if it be God's will, the person be physically healed of illness. Catholic canon law indicates who may receive the sacrament: "The anointing of the sick can be administered to a member of the faithful who, having reached the use of reason, begins to be in danger due to sickness or old age." Stuart Swetland, host of Go Ask Your FatherTM on Relevant Radio®. Non-Catholics can only be anointed under the same exceptional conditions outlined in canon 844 for the reception of the Eucharist. They have abandoned a sacramental theology that would have allowed their faith practices to keep that theology alive. Again, the priest leads the recipient in a prayer to heal his or her body. Anointing of the sick. ). My father was prepared and expected to go to confession but the priest said it was not necessary. Many Catholics believe that, by adhering to the sacrament of anointing of the sick, they will achieve: Spiritual comfort - sick people who are anointed receive God’s grace via the Holy Spirit. this division is silly when there is supposedly unity and people asking for forgiveness of sins but yet don’t want the protestant anywhere near… oh well. Responding to the Protestant’s denial of this sacrament, the Council of Trent decreed in its Doctrine on the Sacrament of Extreme Unction (1551), “This sacred anointing of the sick was instituted by Christ our Lord as a true and proper sacrament of the New Testament. Anointing of the sick, known also by other names, is a form of religious anointing or “unction” for the benefit of a sick person. Yes you , an Anglican , and a Methodist, and Baptist etc are Christians - none of us doubt that BUT you are not Catholic. No point. If the recipient is Catholic, they are anointed with holy oil. The anointing of the sick can be administered to a member of the faithful who, having reached the use of reason, begins to be in danger due to sickness or old age. 1. But Catholics on here at least seem obsessed that Protestants would do this that other and actually we would not because we are taught its not wanted by you guys. The labels we attach to denominations are sad ways to divide us. The Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick gives strength and support and can be administered to anyone struggling with an illness. I stumbled across your station one night at work on an app on my phone. No offence at all but am certainly am thanking God am not in your club as I don’t like the rules and don’t like the authority the Church has over people. I personally think Canon Law goes too far at times. …and extreme unction (now called anointing of the sick). Sad though it is but any long withstanding active worshipper of the protestant churches are too well aware that we are not wanted in the Catholic Church accept to become Catholic. While it may not be excessively hard to observe a manifestation of Catholic faith regarding the Sacrament of Anointing, the proper disposition may be tough to discern. But … And those rules are steeped with prejudices about those not obeying to your club rules. It is most likely one of the last sacraments one will receive. It says that the sick should “summon the presbyters” for the Annointing. Presuming this person is a life long Protestant they never would’ve been confirmed in the Catholic Church and as such the sacraments are not open to them, just like they can’t receive Holy Communion or Reconciliation. Swetland. If God really was at the centre of each live then … harmony be here not a red flag being waved at me for not being in your club no offence I repeat. Now, if a Protestant calls on Catholic clergy, why should they be denied? That reply’s now been deleted, but I wanted to put part of it here for context of my reply: And most protestants are very well aware that Catholics don’t want us in their Churches and hence we don’t go. She writes daily at relevantradio.com and on the free Relevant Radio mobile app. Protestants are Christian by the way and many the Eucharist is the forefront of worship. Catholic was a term first used in the 1st century, be either St. Ignatius or St. Irenaeus. … Can we offer up some Masses and when we receive Communion, can we offer that up for him?”, “Yes to the Masses, yes to offering your Communion for him,” responded Msgr. I think this sentence is crucial in making the decision: provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed. validly, though it may lead to an infirmity that does warrant anointing (e.g., having just received a lethal injection or having been seriously wounded in battle).18 The traditional teaching that only those who suffer from a serious bodily infirmity can receive the sacrament of anointing of the sick is not broadened by the Second Vatican Council,19 Healing Oil and receive Communion. Canon 844, §1. And what would happen is he would be baptized, confirmed, given first Eucharist, and anointed all in the same celebration if he’s open to Baptism. I have no idea what you are talking about. Being Christian we have our own anointing of the sick. “Is he a baptized person?”. Thank you again for all that you do, and God bless you. No we on the whole wouldn’t bother a Catholic Priest for anything because they don’t want us. A non-Catholic can receive the anointing of the sick, in special situations. The Catechism of the Episcopal Church of the United States of America includes Unction of the Sick as among the "other sacramental rites" and it states that unction can be done with oil or simply with laying on of hands.Protestants provide anointing in a wide variety of formats.The Church of the Brethren practices Anointing with Oil as an ordinance along with Baptism, Communion, Laying on of … We KNOW that - we don’t need you to tell us. However, we have scriptural basis for why we ask non-Catholics not to take the Eucharist. ChadS However, the discipline of the Roman rite Church restricts the reception of this sacrament to those who on account of … Once things return to normal that priest would be forbidden from administering sacraments to that person. For non-Catholics, the priest uses olive or seed oil. Sad though it is but any long withstanding active worshipper of the protestant churches are too well aware that we are not wanted in the Catholic Church accept to become Catholic. The sacrament, officially called anointing of the sick, exists now in a liminal state not unlike many of those who receive it. THE ANOINTING OF THE SICK FOR NON-CATHOLICS. Communion. But to wave this at me everytime is just not going to win anyone over. I don’t tell Orthodox Christians how to do things like confession , or whether they should present themselves at the Chalice - that’s up to their priest not me. I never said thank you, but that’s a wonderful reply. For official apologetics resources please visit. 1515 If a sick person who received this anointing recovers his health, he can in the case of another grave illness receive this sacrament again. A. Mailing Address Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, : The views and opinions expressed in these forums do not necessarily reflect those of Catholic Answers. I don’t believe a Protestant can receive the Anointing of the Sick. In an earlier post, another non-Catholic respondent had written the following. What Christians Should Remember about the Anointing of the Sick. As Christians, we have more in common than in division. Can Protestants receive Anointing of the Sick. Father Simon Says December 22nd – The Magnificat. But also this kind of posting whole thread isn’t selling Catholic well to anyone and yep basically all just shows how prejudice Catholics are about anyone not Catholic and the rest of us know. The Rite of Anointing tells us there is no need to wait until a person is at the point of death to receive the Sacrament. Secondly, the scriptural basis of Annointing of the Sick is James 5:14-15. Swetland. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died to … The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Coptic and Old Catholic Churches consider this anointing to be a sacrament. I don’t mean this in any offence but I wish Catholics Knew as much as Protestants do about Catholic Church rulings. A California reader asked: "As my father was dying a year ago, the priest came to the house for the last rites. “Baptism is the gateway to all the sacraments, so we can’t anoint someone who hasn’t been baptized. I don’t want to Catholic and I am not trying to be Catholic. Next time if in doubt don’t ask here but ask your priest and if you can’t ask him then ask yourself why not? But he has to seek Baptism. And most protestants are very well aware that Catholics don’t want us in their Churches and hence we don’t go. A sacrament is an outward sign established by Jesus Christ to confer inward grace. Silly really because we all are Christian but that is what the Catholics want and we respect that more than Catholics realise. In that case it is the priest’s responsibility to attend to them as much as possible and meet their needs. “If we don’t get that far where he desires that and expresses that, can he still receive Anointing of the Sick?” asked Danny. “How does the Anointing of the Sick apply in his situation where he’s not a baptized Catholic and what else can we do for him in those regards? We don’t go where we not wanted. It was his wisdom not try and convert us makes me admire him all the more now. However, it’s less clear to me that Protestants or people of other (or no) faiths couldn’t receive it. “I have a good friend who is terminally ill and he’s not a Catholic, even though he’s been very receptive to having a conversion,” explained Danny in Sonoma, California. oops. Responding to the Protestant's denial of this sacrament, the Council of Trent decreed in (1551), "This sacred anointing of the sick was instituted by Christ our Lord as a true and proper sacrament of the New Testament. But somehow we allow the differences between all of us to get us wider apart rather than narrowing the gap. presbyters) are ministers of the Anointing of the Sick" (No. I wish Catholics would get over this division and learn that we are Christian too. Christian Christian Christian. Yes, under certain circumstances, non-Catholics can receive the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick. Can non-Catholics receive the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick? Green Bay, WI 54307-0707. If during the same illness the person's condition becomes more serious, the sacrament may be repeated. - They must be in danger of death. The former name Extreme Unction was used in the Western (Roman) part of the Catholic Church from the end of the twelfth century until the Second Vatican Council, and was never popular in the Eastern (Orthodox) part. and is it any wonder am slightly wishing not want to be Catholic or turning anti Catholic if every time I join in someone waves this card at me saying ‘but I am not Catholic’ This is n way to try and win my heart over to Catholicism. It is practiced by many Christian churches and denominations. I don’t want you to feel unwelcome in my Church, but so many Catholics are on defense, as are Protestants. Doesn’t Canon 844, paragraph 4 presume that those other Christian communities already have the Sacraments? I wasn’t trying to say I am Catholic. Like Confession and Holy Communion, the other sacraments commonly performed in Last Rites, the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick can be repeated as often as is necessary. I was raised Catholic but had moved away from the church and God. The fact is that anyone who is baptized and of the age where he can go to confession is able to receive the sacrament of the anointing of the sick validly. The second sacrament is the anointing of the sick. Have you ever had a loved one, a friend or family member, who was terminally ill or near death, and you wanted to do everything you could to help? However, So he needs to want to be baptized, which means he wants to be in union with Christ,” explained Msgr. btw I was that poster before you question and I am quite happy to discuss in full but with a moderators full consent too because I had no desire to stir but just what I felt at that time. As you said yourself The idiot, you gotta obey the rules. In some cases, a priest will offer the Anointing of the Sick after Mass to anyone present who wants to receive it. By the grace of this sacrament the sick person receives a strengthening of faith and the gift of being united more closely to Christ in his Passion. 1. In the Catholic Church, Extreme Unction or the Last Rites is the anointing at the time of death. If they knew what we know then Catholics would know we are Taught that The Catholics do not want us. When facing a major surgery, it may be appropriate to participate in the Sacrament. The Litanies and scriptural quotations “for the dying” in the Pastoral Care of the Sick book can be very helpful. But he has to be open to confessing faith and receiving Baptism,” said Msgr. Who may Receive? That’s a barrier to ecumenism I think is based on turf politics alone. Anointing of the sick is only part of the Methodist health ministry, along with prayer and consultation by parish/faith community nurses. Mark 6:13 says that Christ send his disciples out, and “they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many that were sick and healed them.”. In 1 Corinthians 11:27, Paul writes that anyone who takes Eucharist but does not “discern the body” of Christ “eats an drinks judgement” on themselves. The Anointing of the Sick is one of the sacraments of Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Oriental Orthodoxy, and is also practiced in some Protestant churches.. First, the Orthodox and some Episcopals who believe the bread and wine is body and blood seem excluded only by quibbles over deference to Rome. And sadly we are barred from Catholic Sacraments once its known we are not Catholic but that is different to whether we are welcome or not. Listening to your programming has renewed my faith, in ways I never thought possible. Yeh we all rub each other up the wrong way and the devil loves these games he plays on us. We are not aliens or mysterious. I would call him a catechumen because of what you’ve described. I think this passage envisages a time where a Protestant is perhaps dying or in such a remote area that clergy from their denomination are few and far between and only have access to a Catholic priest. It should be God who is the centre of our lives not some Canon Law that states God is the Centre of our lives… And a club who is flexible of where different people are at and not tie them up into knots over their sins and failings. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed. No we on the whole wouldn’t bother a Catholic Priest for anything because they don’t want us. (Si adsit periculum mortis aut, iudicio Episcopi dioecesani aut Episcoporum conferentiae, alia urgeat gravis necessitas, ministri catholici licite eadem sacramenta administrant ceteris quoque christianis plenam communionem cum Ecclesia non habentibus, qui ad suae communitatis ministrum accedere nequeant atque sponte id petant, dummodo quoad eadem sacramenta fidem catholicam manifestent et rite sint dispositi.). In a certain way, he or she is consecrated to bear fruit by being united to Christ’s redemptive Passion. I have to say that as a Catholic, this reply and the responses to it make me sad. Lindsey Kettner serves as a Digital Media Producer at Relevant Radio®. We should all be “nondenominational.” But in doing so, share each others’ reasoning for doing certain things. Even though the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick cannot be offered, in such cases it is certainly appropriate to gather family and friends of the child for shared prayer. Although it is important to remember that this sacrament is intended for serious illnesses, it is also valuable to offer the graces of Anointing of the Sick … So wouldn’t need to ask whether Protestents receive any Catholic Sacraments as the answer is no no no every time because Protestants are taught that Catholics don’t want us at all even if we are christian. Follow-up: Anointing of the Sick [7-18-2006] Our piece on the anointing of the sick July 4 brought to mind a couple of related questions. Other Christians too, in particular, Lutherans, Anglicans and some Protestant and other Christian communities use a rite of anointing the sick, without necessarily classifying it as a sacrament. “Baptism is the gateway to all the sacraments, so we can’t anoint someone who hasn’t been baptized. :shrug: In a way, the various churches are like clubs - they all have their ‘rules’ If you are a member of the club then you obey the rules - or get out. ... Jimmy was born in Texas, grew up nominally Protestant, but at age 20 experienced a profound conversion to Christ. It sounds like he has a Baptism of Desire already, but let’s go to the next step, so keep up the prayers, keep up the sacrifices, Danny.”. Does a person have to be dying to receive this sacrament? what was it you said about club rules We are very welcome and I very much liked one Roman Catholic Priest and if he had so wanted he may have converted me quite easily back in them days, but wisely I think he did not even try, just happy that we were doing what we were and Anglican.I would have followed him all the way to Catholicism back then because won’t have known enough between Anglicanisma and Catholicism. Anointing of the Sick, along with Reconciliation, is one of the Sacraments of Healing. The Catechism says, "The anointing of the sick is not a sacrament for those only who are at the point of death. (Ministri catholici sacramenta licite administrant solis christifidelibus catholicis, qui pariter eadem a solis ministris catholicis licite recipiunt.) In those creeds catholic means universal, so many Protestant denominations include “small c” catholic as they profess the Nicean Creed in their services. I was simply objecting to how Catholics think Protestants are sooo very different almost alienated and pointing out that as Catholics don’t want us we wouldn’t turn to them anyway for such sacraments and there is no need to and if Catholics knew enough about Catholics as Protestants know about Catholics then there wouldn’t be such niave questions whether Protestants access the Catholics Sacraments. “Right now, I think grace is already working in his heart. Hence, as soon as anyone of the faithful begins to be in danger of death from sickness or old age, the fitting time for him to receive this sacrament has certainly already arrived" (CCC 1514). Canon 844, §4. Whether Anglican or Methodist or Baptist etc. A closely related ritual is the laying on of hands, which in the Methodist church is a gentle, consensual touch on the hand, head or … Serious illnesses, if it is in God’s will, can be overcome. We are all Christians, as you say. 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